tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post1578812860508716936..comments2024-03-11T03:34:21.453-07:00Comments on The Carrot Revolution: A Blog About Art Education... and Vegetables.: The Problem with Pixishdsgranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10893684481221030738noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-62670288618456085542008-02-21T08:55:00.000-08:002008-02-21T08:55:00.000-08:00I agree with this post a lot. No one's going to ge...I agree with this post a lot. No one's going to get a design they like for their book cover or whatever unless there's several revisions or a ton of different ideas passed around. This basically allows the companies to not pay anyone for their time, just the finished product. <BR/><BR/>The problem is that it works for them, there's always going to be someone trying to make a name for themselves, and they only need to put food on the table. They don't care about the value of the medium as a whole, they've got to worry about rent...<BR/><BR/>What to do, what to do.soundboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02705932429278514972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-79747914315657681192008-02-20T10:39:00.000-08:002008-02-20T10:39:00.000-08:00I wanted to say thanks for the article on Pixish.....I wanted to say thanks for the article on Pixish... I hadn't heard of it and am now struggling with the idea of having a logo/design contest for my new blog (http://lowerfootprint.blogspot.com). It sounds to me like spec work is appropriate from the business end of things, but not sustainable in the long term, especially not for the artists.<BR/><BR/>I guess one option is for me to create my own! Again, thanks for raising some interesting issues... I enjoyed the other responses as well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10128391216811232939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-82597599800921693282008-02-20T05:14:00.000-08:002008-02-20T05:14:00.000-08:00as an unemployed graphic design graduate this soun...as an unemployed graphic design graduate this sound like a good idea to improve my cv but working for free does get tedious after a year or 2William Wrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01607578747397933031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-21859995419703397782008-02-19T21:43:00.000-08:002008-02-19T21:43:00.000-08:00I'm glad you support artists so well. It is true ...I'm glad you support artists so well. It is true that creativity is a lost art. It is something I always wish I had, but I have lots of respect for artists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-24693583144764381642008-02-19T00:56:00.000-08:002008-02-19T00:56:00.000-08:00Jyotsana - Thanks!Anonymous - Thanks for your thou...Jyotsana - Thanks!<BR/><BR/>Anonymous - <BR/>Thanks for your thoughts, I think you raise some interesting points! I have to admit that I'm sort of torn myself about the subject, especially as it applies to student work. As a teacher, I'd be thrilled for one of my students to have their work recognized by a professional organization - and in some contexts, I think its great. Currently, Google is sponsoring a logo competition for students with a substantial scholarship award. However, they're not asking students to create a new brand image for google to sell itself- that, I think, is a great example of a design competition that values art. <BR/><BR/>I'd disagree with your allusion to ebay though, since it equates the 'artist' with the 'middleman' in a business transaction. The artist isn't just selling the product, s/he is creating it as well. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I also agree with your thoughts about the 'establishment' making it hard for non-established artists to break into a career. However, problem I see with spec work is that if you follow it to its logical conclusion, it doesn't really help out struggling artists. Maybe someone gets a work of art selected by a company and has 15 minutes of fame and a nice little line for their resume (or college application) - but if spec work is the industry standard, there is no way they'll transform that 15 minutes into a career. That's what I was referring to regarding undervaluing the role of the artist.dsgranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10893684481221030738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-15798771455097419162008-02-18T20:59:00.000-08:002008-02-18T20:59:00.000-08:00Congratulations on being a "Blog of Note" !great q...Congratulations on being a "Blog of Note" !great quotqtion up there.<BR/>pleasant reading this.jyotsanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11348544707786355970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-69953692644740009872008-02-18T20:53:00.000-08:002008-02-18T20:53:00.000-08:00I disagree with your statement that: "There are ma...I disagree with your statement that: "There are many arguments against spec work, but basically it comes down to undervaluing the role of the artist in the part of the very creative process that defines their partnership with their clients."<BR/><BR/>I also disagree with the AIGA statements. It's all just BS. I'm sure you can speak French as well as I can. When you translate your position or theirs into English it reads, "These modern design methods deny older, established AIGA members a chance to earn substantial revenue for a part of the design processs that has historically been compensated and because of this compensation has severed as a barrier to entry to some who would otherwise be denied profession."<BR/><BR/>Think of it like what happened to antique dealers when eBay came along. I knew several who simply had to go out of business because they couldn't compete. It was and is a high overhead business. The dealers would buy inventory and have to sit on it for years before selling it for two to six times what they originally paid for it. eBay allowed sellers to receive more and buyers to buy for less -- the only ones hurt were the middlemen, antique dealers, who I'm sure believed that they added substantial value to the transaction. In some cases they did, but in most cases, not so much.<BR/><BR/>In the past, because it wasn't practical or economical to compete for design work on "spec," it was reasonable to discourage it. Now there are plenty of people, students, extremely talented third world artists, etc. who are able to enter the market and who are willing to produce the work knowing that they only have a 1/100 or 1/1000 chance of winning the competition. Economics dictates that no finger can be plugged into this leak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-63087422834426669702008-02-18T17:26:00.000-08:002008-02-18T17:26:00.000-08:00Thanks for your comments! I didn't even realize t...Thanks for your comments! I didn't even realize that I was a blog of note. I'm glad that you've all found something interesting here!dsgranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10893684481221030738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-71921277696382020732008-02-18T15:58:00.000-08:002008-02-18T15:58:00.000-08:00As an ex art lecturer and artist, I was intrigued ...As an ex art lecturer and artist, I was intrigued to discover your blog, I can see why you are Blog of Note, Felicidades. I have enjoyed reading your posts and will certainly return againsigning ashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06009471031972584950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-42418894411396782342008-02-18T12:45:00.000-08:002008-02-18T12:45:00.000-08:00Thank you for pointing out Pixish to me. I was una...Thank you for pointing out Pixish to me. I was unaware of its existense and am therefore very glad your blog got chosen to be a blog of note, as it certainly was to me.Eye!https://www.blogger.com/profile/10137241851239639819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-70135379755077737982008-02-18T12:34:00.000-08:002008-02-18T12:34:00.000-08:00.......it's time to change the world........it's time to change the world.Oberonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03510828255050663427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12834001.post-59396836351655778462008-02-18T10:41:00.000-08:002008-02-18T10:41:00.000-08:00Congratulations on being a "Blog of Note" by Blogg...Congratulations on being a "Blog of Note" by Blogger!<BR/><BR/>I stopped by and scrolled down, and read some of your posts. I really appreciate your dedication to art education, your beautiful use of graphics, your very good writing, and your support of Obama. <BR/><BR/>Great blog!<BR/><BR/>-Suzanne.suzanneelizabeths.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14304462740451230118noreply@blogger.com